The following information is a collection of posts from Kung Fu Magazine Forum which were erased by the original poster of threads on the subject and promotion of Black Flag Eng Chun or HKB Wing Chun. This blog is to expose Kenneth Lin's Black Flag history, patterns and misrepresentation and deception of Kung Fu, Chinese history and The Hung Mun. (Note: Most of all of Kenneth Lin's old web sites are blocked or erased, just like he ordered his black flag member to erase his threads on Kung Fu Forum, same pattern of erasing his past)
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#09-16-2010, 07:52 AM
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Quote:this is the older HBK family tree.
Originally Posted by t_niehoff 
Hendrik, when you go back and look at the older HKB websites (which someone posted) and see what "history" they posted and what they were doing and compare that to the new website and read their new and improved history and see what they are doing, you will see that something is amiss.
Many people never develop a decent bullsh1t detector (Carl Sagan's phrase).
http://www.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=58349
AND
This is the same teacher brought up in the Ngo Cho thread back in 2007. I hear lots of people say Lin has Lo Han Kung Fu mixed with Vikoga wing chun. Its clear that from Ngo Cho Kun that one of the 5 ancestors was Lo Han. In Indo styles are mixed, so maybe Lin sees nothing wrong with making up stuff and telling as truth.
http://www.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showpost.php?p=825600&postcount=27
Quote:http://www.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=49287&page=2
There are, of course, other teachers from different lineages. However, I don't know about them enough to recommend their instructions. These include (there could be more):
- Bonifacio Lim (Beng Kiam)- NJ area
- Ben Asuncion (Beng Kiam) - LA, CA area
- Mark Wiley (Bengkiam) - CO area if I am not mistaken.
- Jose Parman (I forgot) - San Jose, CA area
- John Graham (Chee Kim Tong) - Mobile, AL (more of his students in AL area)
- Kenneth Lim in VA area. He advertises more as a Wing Chun and Hokkian Eng Chun styles, but one of his teachers is from Gui In Lam lineage.
- Kam Lee (A Malaysian lineage that I forgot) in FL
- Lo Ban Teng group as represented by Lo Siauw Gok's lineage is ready to start teaching in USA. Lo Hak Lun, Lo Siauw Gok's son states that hopefully it will happen in less than a year.
It is unethical for me to comment on Bonifacio
The noise about black flag wing chun is getting clear but why is Ngo Cho & Eng Chun taking a hit because of Lin?
Lin says there was a 5 flag wing chun. his statement. Since this is a wing chun forum did you ever hear your teacher call yip man wing chun ... red flag wing chun??
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#09-18-2010, 11:07 AM
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Black Flag Eng Chun's orginal family tree revealed and Ngo Cho Kun's Family tree

Ngo Cho Kun (5 ancestors) has a male/female history, like Black Flag Eng Chun. I'll show you how as best I can. Kenneth Lin's (Salim) martial arts background is known in Indo before he left. He learned Gui In Lam's Ngo Cho Kun lineage and then picked up Vikoga Wing Chun from Chung Che Man. When Lin came to America in 2005 he promoted Ngo Cho Kun and Vikoga Wing Chun as Ngo Cho Eng Chun Male/Female family tree. When he heard of VTM's promotion of Shaolin Wing Chun he started to change his story in the Indo forums and advertisement in America. He attached Shaolin Wing Chun stories that VTM promotes to make a transistion. Today Kenneth Lin is trying to erase his Ngo Cho Eng Chun male/female family tree and Gui In Lam's Ngo Cho Kun background by calling it Black Flag Wing Chun. He does this to declare himself grandmaster of Black Flag Wing Chun and promote his teacher Tio Tik Kwie's status. What does VTM gain from this? Money from magazine articles, books and Shaolin Wing Chun 3-halls program. There is always a motive. Sergio gains advertisement promotion for his large schools in Europe. But this is at the expense of Ngo Cho Eng Chun and maybe others.
Original Black Flag Wing Chun Male/Female branch:
Kenneth Lin called his kung fu "Ngo Cho Eng Chun USA Group" when he came to America but today in 2010 he has transitioned to Black Flag Wing Chun. His family tree had a male and female branch as he published originally. Lin promoted the male/female version of Ngo Cho Eng Chun USA Group. Lin himself at first stated to the VTM: “The system as it was passed down was preserved in two forms: a Male aspect and a Female aspect.” Today his orginal promotion has changed. Today he declares himself as the grandmaster of Black Flag Eng Chun while erasing the female side, Vikoga Wing Chun, from his family tree and Ngo Cho Kun from the male side.
Where did Lin come up with a story of male/female for his Ngo Cho Eng Chun? Lin used Ngo Cho Kun's family story for his self promotion and transistion to Shaolin Wing Chun Black Flag. You see Ngo Cho Kun has a story about a 6th ancestor who was female, I'll show soon. But first, here is Black Flag Wing Chun's orignal explaination in its transistion from Ngo Cho Eng Chun's male/female history.
Ngo Cho Eng Chun/Black Flag Eng Chun's male side (Lin's original):
For the male branch, Lin had Ngo Cho Kun 5 male ancestor family lineage and teachers. That's what he wanted us to believe. (Today this is Kenneth Lin's Shaolin temple 5 Flag Wing Chun)
Ngo Cho Eng Chun/Black Flag Eng Chun's female side (Lin's original):
For the Female branch, he labeled Ng Mui & sometimes Yim Wing Chun. Lin learned various Wing Chun under Victor Leow's Vikoga Wing Chun family tree. (Today this is Kenneth Lin's Shaolin Red Flag Wing Chun or some color)
So you see, Kenneth Lin originally married Ngo Cho Kun with Vikoga Wing Chun to call it Ngo Cho Eng Chun USA Group in 2005. This is where the Ngo Cho Kun's family story fits into his Black Flag Eng Chun promotion. You see Ngo Cho Kun is known to have a male/female story.
Ngo Cho Kun Male side:
Ngo Cho Kun has mixtures of 5 Ancestor styles: White Crane, Monkey, TaiZu(Grand Ancestor) and Lo Han (18 Immortals) and Tat Chun (Bodhidharma's method).
Ngo Cho Kun Female side:
Mysterious Female Fist (6th Ancestor)
Facts:
Kenneth Lin's Ngo Cho Kun family lineage is from Gui In Lam.
Kenneth Lin's Wing Chun family lineage is from Vikoga Wing Chun.
Kenneth Lin called the marriage of Ngo Cho Kun and Vikoga Wing Chun, Ngo Cho Eng Chun.
Kenneth Lin has never denied learning Vikoga Wing Chun or Ngo Cho Kun.
Ngo Cho Kun is known to have a 6th female ancestor, Mysterious Female Fist.
VTM promotes a super secret Shaolin Wing Chun 3-halls ("Dim" for Fukien dialect effect) program.
This is the male/female story of Ngo Cho Kun! May the truth shine over Black Flag Eng Chun and the changing stories of Kenneth Salim, Benny Meng and Sergio!!!
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| Kenneth Lin's (Black Flag Inheritor) Ngo Cho Eng Chun Group USA 2005 |
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| Kenneth Lin's Vikoga Wing Chun back ground, what he called "female wing chun". |
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#09-20-2010, 04:46 PM
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Fake Lineage, Fake research part 1

[Before I begin Kenneth Lin uses multiple names and it getting tiresome. I believe it serves as a deception, the names are Black Flag Eng Chun = Black Flag Wing Chun = HKB = HKB Black Flag Eng Chun = HKB Wing Chun and Kenneth Lin = Kenneth Salim = Lin Xiang Fuk and Ngo Cho Ving Tsun = Ngo Cho Eng Chun]
Successor hoax
From Sergio's camp: Black Flag Hoax video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hgIJJWITjM&feature=related @1:57 "After being appointed as the official successor by the Grandmasters in Indonesia it’s the only lineage he represents and dedicated his life to..."
From the "VTM Report" on HKB Eng Chun (Black Flag Wingchun) "In 2000, Suhu Lin was appointed as the 4th Generation Black Flag Engchun next successor and lineage holder. .... In 2005, Suhu (Master) Lin Xiang Fuk arrived in the USA. He carried the responsibility from the Sukong [GM] and the Sujo [GGM] to preserve this extraordinary art for the next generation..."
I see Kenneth Lin was doing a good job preserving Ngo Cho Eng Chun (Vikoga Wing(female) + Ngo Cho Kun(male)) on this arrival to America in 2005.
Oral tradition on 1907 Pun Jiao
As stated by Black Flag Eng Chun, Lin is 4th generation Black Flag Eng Chun and that Black Flag Wing Chun comes from Shaolin 350 years ago. There are about 8 generations missing! VTM: "The HKB oral history goes back to the burning of the Southern Shaolin Temple in the1600s." The oral tradition of HKB is that Pun Jiao of 1907, was 1st successor of the HKB Black Flag Eng Chun. Ok so there missing about 8 generations. Let’s look at 1st generation Black Flag Eng Chun.
Oral tradition says Pun Jiao was from Black Flag Wing Chun secret society but Ngo Cho Eng Chun USA Group family tree says he came from Black Flag Army. In the VTM’s open letter: Official beginning of the VTM Project was back in 1993: "There are two systems that the VTM classifies as Shaolin Wing Chun: Hung Fa Yi Wing Chun Paai and Hek Ki Boen Wing Chun Paai. ….The oral traditions in both lineages do not follow the legends of a nun teaching a young girl by the name of Yim Wing Chun." But contradicts Ngo Cho Eng Chun/HKB Black Flag Wing Chun family tree which shows Ng Mui and Yim Wing Chun. In this same letter, how can the VTM criticizes those "who intentionally share misinformation to further their agenda" by saying: "So simply attempting to connect one 'black flag' with another requires extensive investigation into history." VTM overlooked the Ngo Cho Eng Chun history go along with the Pun Jiao from Black Flag secret society!
According to oral tradition of a Mr. Zhao, who first brought attention to Black Flag bandits and Black Flag Wing Chun in a China Express editorial, he linked Black Flag Wing Chun to the Black Flag bandits of Shandong province. So Black Flag Eng Chun attempt to say Pun Jiao is from Black Flag secret society, but let take a look at Mr. Zhao's linking Black Flag Eng Chun to the Black Flag/5 flag bandits. I don’t trust Black Flag Wing Chun and the VTM after seeing all the deceptions. By now Black Flag Wing Chun/VTM has lost all creditability. Mr Zhao's explanation makes sense with the time period of 1907. An explanation: Pun Jiao fleed to Indonesia for because he was a black flag 5 flag bandit/criminal. If you look at the Ngo Cho Eng Chun family tree, Pun Jiao fits nicely into the Ngo Cho Kun branch because Ngo Cho Kun popular in Fukien province at that time. Pun Jiao was not the only one in Ngo Chu Eng Chun's family tree that came from China to Indonesia. It is said in Indo that another teacher of Lin’s Ngo Cho Eng Chun family tree who came from China. Goei In Nam and his three students came on a boat from China to Indonesia. See http://ngochokune.tripod.com/ before it disappears. The parallelism Kenneth uses seems to be an on-going pattern. I find Mr Zhao story has far more creditability than Black Flag Eng Chun and the VTM. Mr Zhao writes from real life experience. He said his grandparents were killed by the Black Flag/5 Flag bandits! Black Flag Wing Chun is now attempting to link to Hung Mun’s flags with Pun Jiao, I dare say that 1907 Pun Jiao did not exist or was really a black flag/5 flag bandit criminal.
If you do your own research in Indonesia forum use google’s Indonesian to english translator. You will see a guy named “Samchien” fromUSA talk about a Pun Jiao. http://www.kaskus.us/showthread.php?t=1127381 Last edited by samchian: 31-12-2009 at 12:17 PM .. Notice that Samchian deleted a lot of his posting in this thread.
Hear from Kenneth tell the story of Pun Jiao subduing 80 axe men without hurting them. Of all the 80 unhurt axe attackers not one of them asked to learn Kung Fu from Pun Jiao. There is only King Yang who took this homeless man in. I’m sure the 80 living men would have made Pun Jiao famous but he stays in King Yang’s room for 2 years.
http://wushu8penjuru-ibii.blogspot.com/2009_05_01_archive.html
Read it while its HOT before Lin removes it!
At this point I am thinking that Pun Jiao was made up.
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Kenneth Lin's Ngo Cho Ving Tsun Group Indonesia Division |
#09-20-2010, 04:51 PM
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Fake Lineage, Fake research part 2

Another Ngo Cho Ving Tsun family tree from Kenneth Salim
I had thought there was one original Ngo Cho Eng Chun family tree but there is an older "Ngo Cho Ving Tsun Indonesia Division" family tree published by Kenneth Lin from his 2004 website - indowingchun.com. Check out the archive link indowingchun.com site before Lin makes it disappear like he did for the his 2005 website for "Ngo Cho Eng Chun USA Group" here http://web.archive.org/web/20080113130305/www.shaolinkungfucenter.com/main.html
Proof of the Ngo Cho Ving Tsun Indonesia Division family tree.
http://web.archive.org/web/20040317054812/www.indowingchun.com/
Ngo Cho Ving Tsun Group Indonesia Division
Proof of Ngo Cho Ving Tsun on wingchun.org.
http://web.archive.org/web/20040207084647/www.wingchun.org/txt/schools/misc/indnsia.html (from wingchun.org)
Ngo Cho Ving Tsun in Indonesia
jl raya darmo 88, Surabaya, East Java 60189
Tel: +62 +81 732-3236
Email: info@indowingchun.com
Web: http://web.archive.org/web/20040207084647/http://www.indowingchun.com/
Contact: Salim
Notes: This is the first Wingchun school in Indonesia, the main kwoon is located in Surabaya, we have another kwoon in Jakarta. Click on the website for more details.
Update: 7dec03
Black Flag Wing Chun lineage holder in the making
In this 2004 family tree, Kenneth Lim, the supposed successor, lineage holder and responsible preserver of Black Flag Wing Chun, founded a new system called NgoCho VingTsunKuen. In this new system, Kenneth Salim has 4 Ngo Cho Kun teachers and several wing chun teachers: Chung Che Man and a bunch of Lao Jing Ti's students. Notice that there is no male/female family tree. There are no flags of any color or a Black Flag Society Army or a Black Flag secret society. There is however, similar information from the VTM articles published between 1999-2004 and the book "Mastering Kung Fu", all featuring Hung Fa Yi Wing Chun. Some of the information on Ngo Cho Ving Tsun's family tree is from the VTM research on: Chi Sim Weng Chun and Hung Fa Yi Wing Chun. At that time, the VTM included Chi Sim Weng Chun as Shaolin Wing Chun. The VTM states they started research in Hung Fa Yi Wing Chun lineage in 1999 this is well before Kenneth’s Ngo Cho Eng Chun/Black Flag Wing Chun family trees and before we see Hung Fa Yi Wing Chun formula in Black Flag Wing Chun. The Ngo Cho Ving Tsun family tree and info on the indowingchun.com does not mention anything about a formula, no mention of 5 line theory, 2-line defense or any other Hung Fa Yi Wing Chun formula. Lin never mentions HKB or Black Flag Eng Chun, but he is the successor and lineage holder with responsibilities to preserve Black Flag Wing Chun since 2000. Today Black Flag Wing Chun advertises a Hung Fa Yi’s Wing Chun formula today. Black Flag Wing Chun and the Meng, a member and researcher of Hung Fa Yi Wing Chun, stole from Hung Fa Yi Wing Chun! Black Flag Wing Chun is fake! VTM extensive research is fake!
Cat and mouse roles
At first Kenneth Lin needed the VTM for its transition for the Black Flag Wing Chun story. Once the transition was completed, Lin says: "HKB Wing Chun is not the same as Shaolin Wing Chun, in which HKB Wing Chun should never be called Shaolin Wing Chun.HKB Wing Chun is HKB Wingchun." (This is from Meng's forum, it’s probably is or will be erased) Now we have Meng and Sergio following Lin to spread Black Flag Eng Chun around the world. Bottom line it’s about money. Some people have seen the ambition and ethical problem of the three to make money off Wing Chun!
5 flag Hung Mun smoke screen and patterns
Kenneth Lin is using the Hung Mun flags just like the he
* possibly used Ngo Cho Kun’s Goei In Nam and his three students move from China to Indonesia for Pun Jiao,
* used his Indonesia Ngo Cho Eng Chun family tree transition to Ngo Cho Eng Chun USA Group,
* used his Ngo Cho Kun's male/female family tree to transition to Wing Chun male/female tree and
* used Black Flag Army transition to Black Flag Wing Chun super secret society in its family tree.
* Now he's trying to use the Hung Mun society's 5 flag to transition into the Black Flag Wing Eng secret society or 5 flags wing chun or whatever they dream up as "oral" tradition. Today in China, the trio, Lin, Meng, Sergio, are doing bogus research on Hung Mun's 5 flags to make Lin's Black Flag story stick. But we know the real history of the "lineage holder" past Ngo Cho Eng Chun/Black Flag Eng Chun family trees and intentions.
stop the fraudulent book and articles
Sooner if on later, the deceiving Black Flag Wing Chun trio and fraudulent VTM will be announcing and publishing a fraudulent book. I assure you it will be filled with half truths, criminal forgery of likes of VTM-Meng's forgery of Hung Fa Yi's director announcement (replaced “Hung Fa Yi” with “Red Flag”, it is now deleted along with the red flag sub-forum), falsified Ngo Cho Eng Chun family trees, falsified Black Flag Eng Chun family tree, Sergio and his blind stupid student's videos (BTW someone had pointed out Kenneth Lin's suspicious body/eye language in Sergio’s Black Flag interview video, take a look yourself), false statements from young stupid students try to defend HKB, and the complete disregard for stirring up the angry and despair of the old people of China who lived through Black Flag bandits terror. The insults go deep and wide for the 3 greedy black flag bandit's personal gain of money and fame. It is my understanding that Moy Yat did not trust Benny Meng from the beginning of the VTM. Black Flag Wing Chun stole from Hung Fa Yi Wing Chun formula and history, he used Vikoga Wing Chun and Ngo Cho Kun to promote his grand plan! Kenneth Lin created and promoted Ngo Cho Ving Tsun after he inherited the so called Black Flag Wing Chun system was suppose to preserve! Kenneth Lin is a fake lineage holder! Kenneth Lin is fake grandmaster of a fake HBK Black Flag Wing Chun! VTM does fake research on fakes!
I would like to thank Mr. Zhao for alerting the general public about Black Flag Wing Chun. I am truly sorry for the lost of his grandparents and memories of the atrocities Black Flag/5 flag bandits created and the memories of the Nanjing Massacre. I hope that Black Flag Wing Chun/VTM/3-halls Shaolin Wing Chun is rid completely from the face of the Wing Chun world and that the dignity and healing of the Chinese people is restored. I hope that every magazine and book publisher takes notice and refuses to publish anything from the VTM, Meng, Sergio and Lin. I hope that the Hung Mun society is aware of these liars and be on guard of their history and dignity. Lin, Meng and Sergio do not deserve to be in the Kung Fu community, Chinese community, museum curator associates and researchers!
To Lin, Meng and Sergio, impale yourselves on your Black Flag flagstaff and may the hideous Black Flag Wing Chun/3 halls Shaolin Wing Chun/VTM implode into its own black hole they created!
Give it up boys.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAyBn7Laic8&feature=related - Mr Zhao's letter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aD_RkNiU_kE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gwm3zhjBcGc&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5clXh0PPA1g&feature=related
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#09-20-2010, 05:29 PM
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Sergio and Meng at one time both of you were once student of a certain Chi Sim Weng Chun master and more than a student teacher relationship. Your stealing and betrayl of the Chi Sim family will not be forgotten. All your relationshiips are relationship of betrayal! Take Lin for all he has!

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#09-21-2010, 07:32 AM
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Kenneth Lin’s 2004 family tree BEFORE AMERICA
http://web.archive.org/web/20040318033733/www.indowingchun.com/lineage2.html (get your copy before it disappears)
Kenneth Lin found and promoted Ngo Cho Eng Chun in 2004. No male/female, no black flag
whatever.
Kenneth Lin is a fake Lineage holder of a fake Black Flag Eng Chun since 2000.
Notice Lin is 5th generation grand student of Yip Man, and a student of many Wing Chun students. Lin is NOT a grandmaster or lineage holder of Wing Chun, he’s really a low ranking Yip Man Wing Chun student. Yeah, the Eng Chun grandmaster gets training from the Wing Chun students.
Lin has 4 different teachers from Ngo Cho Kun Ho Yang Pai. My cousin in Malaysia knows NCK Ho Yang Pai, its from the 1850’s. VTM’s deceptive research just like its deceptive criminal forgery. Any lawyers or Judges on this forum?
The point: Black Flag Eng Chun fake. HKB is fake. Lin is a fake grandmaster of a fake lineage. Lin is really from Vikoga Wing Chun and Ngo Cho Kun Ho Yang Pai. Lin is 5th or 6th generation Yip Man student, depends on which Ngo Cho Eng Chun family tree he uses.
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| Kenneth Lin's 5 Ancestor Wing Chun = HKB |

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#09-21-2010, 10:42 PM
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taokum,
thank you for your posts regarding the so called black flag wing chun. i was intrigued as it presented a deeper understanding of the black flag /5 flag shaolin wing chun issue than kenneth lin or vtm provided. i understand that alot of information was deleted by lin. your posts contradicts lin's claims that black flag wing chun is 400 years old. when in fact kenneth lin is a 6 generation student of ip man.
another video on this link also presents information that questions the validity of kenneth lin's claims. more results of research contradicting these outrageous stories are here...
The Black Flag treachery continues
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1shW4FRUr_0&feature=channel
Quote:##49
Originally Posted by taokum 
Another Ngo Cho Ving Tsun family tree from Kenneth Salim
I had thought there was one original Ngo Cho Eng Chun family tree but there is an older "Ngo Cho Ving Tsun Indonesia Division" family tree published by Kenneth Lin from his 2004 website - indowingchun.com. Check out the archive link indowingchun.com site before Lin makes it disappear like he did for the his 2005 website for "Ngo Cho Eng Chun USA Group" here http://web.archive.org/web/20080113130305/www.shaolinkungfucenter.com/main.html
Proof of the Ngo Cho Ving Tsun Indonesia Division family tree.
http://web.archive.org/web/20040317054812/www.indowingchun.com/
Ngo Cho Ving Tsun Group Indonesia Division
Proof of Ngo Cho Ving Tsun on wingchun.org.
http://web.archive.org/web/20040207084647/www.wingchun.org/txt/schools/misc/indnsia.html (from wingchun.org)
Ngo Cho Ving Tsun in Indonesia
jl raya darmo 88, Surabaya, East Java 60189
Tel: +62 +81 732-3236
Email: info@indowingchun.com
Web: http://web.archive.org/web/20040207084647/http://www.indowingchun.com/
Contact: Salim
Notes: This is the first Wingchun school in Indonesia, the main kwoon is located in Surabaya, we have another kwoon in Jakarta. Click on the website for more details.
Update: 7dec03
Black Flag Wing Chun lineage holder in the making
In this 2004 family tree, Kenneth Lim, the supposed successor, lineage holder and responsible preserver of Black Flag Wing Chun, founded a new system called NgoCho VingTsunKuen. In this new system, Kenneth Salim has 4 Ngo Cho Kun teachers and several wing chun teachers: Chung Che Man and a bunch of Lao Jing Ti's students. Notice that there is no male/female family tree. There are no flags of any color or a Black Flag Society Army or a Black Flag secret society. There is however, similar information from the VTM articles published between 1999-2004 and the book "Mastering Kung Fu", all featuring Hung Fa Yi Wing Chun. Some of the information on Ngo Cho Ving Tsun's family tree is from the VTM research on: Chi Sim Weng Chun and Hung Fa Yi Wing Chun. At that time, the VTM included Chi Sim Weng Chun as Shaolin Wing Chun. The VTM states they started research in Hung Fa Yi Wing Chun lineage in 1999 this is well before Kenneth’s Ngo Cho Eng Chun/Black Flag Wing Chun family trees and before we see Hung Fa Yi Wing Chun formula in Black Flag Wing Chun. The Ngo Cho Ving Tsun family tree and info on the indowingchun.com does not mention anything about a formula, no mention of 5 line theory, 2-line defense or any other Hung Fa Yi Wing Chun formula. Lin never mentions HKB or Black Flag Eng Chun, but he is the successor and lineage holder with responsibilities to preserve Black Flag Wing Chun since 2000. Today Black Flag Wing Chun advertises a Hung Fa Yi’s Wing Chun formula today. Black Flag Wing Chun and the Meng, a member and researcher of Hung Fa Yi Wing Chun, stole from Hung Fa Yi Wing Chun! Black Flag Wing Chun is fake! VTM extensive research is fake!
Cat and mouse roles
At first Kenneth Lin needed the VTM for its transition for the Black Flag Wing Chun story. Once the transition was completed, Lin says: "HKB Wing Chun is not the same as Shaolin Wing Chun, in which HKB Wing Chun should never be called Shaolin Wing Chun.HKB Wing Chun is HKB Wingchun." (This is from Meng's forum, it’s probably is or will be erased) Now we have Meng and Sergio following Lin to spread Black Flag Eng Chun around the world. Bottom line it’s about money. Some people have seen the ambition and ethical problem of the three to make money off Wing Chun!
5 flag Hung Mun smoke screen and patterns
Kenneth Lin is using the Hung Mun flags just like the he
* possibly used Ngo Cho Kun’s Goei In Nam and his three students move from China to Indonesia for Pun Jiao,
* used his Indonesia Ngo Cho Eng Chun family tree transition to Ngo Cho Eng Chun USA Group,
* used his Ngo Cho Kun's male/female family tree to transition to Wing Chun male/female tree and
* used Black Flag Army transition to Black Flag Wing Chun super secret society in its family tree.
* Now he's trying to use the Hung Mun society's 5 flag to transition into the Black Flag Wing Eng secret society or 5 flags wing chun or whatever they dream up as "oral" tradition. Today in China, the trio, Lin, Meng, Sergio, are doing bogus research on Hung Mun's 5 flags to make Lin's Black Flag story stick. But we know the real history of the "lineage holder" past Ngo Cho Eng Chun/Black Flag Eng Chun family trees and intentions.
stop the fraudulent book and articles
Sooner if on later, the deceiving Black Flag Wing Chun trio and fraudulent VTM will be announcing and publishing a fraudulent book. I assure you it will be filled with half truths, criminal forgery of likes of VTM-Meng's forgery of Hung Fa Yi's director announcement (replaced “Hung Fa Yi” with “Red Flag”, it is now deleted along with the red flag sub-forum), falsified Ngo Cho Eng Chun family trees, falsified Black Flag Eng Chun family tree, Sergio and his blind stupid student's videos (BTW someone had pointed out Kenneth Lin's suspicious body/eye language in Sergio’s Black Flag interview video, take a look yourself), false statements from young stupid students try to defend HKB, and the complete disregard for stirring up the angry and despair of the old people of China who lived through Black Flag bandits terror. The insults go deep and wide for the 3 greedy black flag bandit's personal gain of money and fame. It is my understanding that Moy Yat did not trust Benny Meng from the beginning of the VTM. Black Flag Wing Chun stole from Hung Fa Yi Wing Chun formula and history, he used Vikoga Wing Chun and Ngo Cho Kun to promote his grand plan! Kenneth Lin created and promoted Ngo Cho Ving Tsun after he inherited the so called Black Flag Wing Chun system was suppose to preserve! Kenneth Lin is a fake lineage holder! Kenneth Lin is fake grandmaster of a fake HBK Black Flag Wing Chun! VTM does fake research on fakes!
I would like to thank Mr. Zhao for alerting the general public about Black Flag Wing Chun. I am truly sorry for the lost of his grandparents and memories of the atrocities Black Flag/5 flag bandits created and the memories of the Nanjing Massacre. I hope that Black Flag Wing Chun/VTM/3-halls Shaolin Wing Chun is rid completely from the face of the Wing Chun world and that the dignity and healing of the Chinese people is restored. I hope that every magazine and book publisher takes notice and refuses to publish anything from the VTM, Meng, Sergio and Lin. I hope that the Hung Mun society is aware of these liars and be on guard of their history and dignity. Lin, Meng and Sergio do not deserve to be in the Kung Fu community, Chinese community, museum curator associates and researchers!
To Lin, Meng and Sergio, impale yourselves on your Black Flag flagstaff and may the hideous Black Flag Wing Chun/3 halls Shaolin Wing Chun/VTM implode into its own black hole they created!
Give it up boys.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAyBn7Laic8&feature=related - Mr Zhao's letter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aD_RkNiU_kE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gwm3zhjBcGc&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5clXh0PPA1g&feature=related
#09-22-2010, 02:59 AM
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Oral tradition on 1907 Pun Jiao
Quote:
As stated by Black Flag Eng Chun, Lin is 4th generation Black Flag Eng Chun and that Black Flag Wing Chun comes from Shaolin 350 years ago. There are about 8 generations missing! VTM: "The HKB oral history goes back to the burning of the Southern Shaolin Temple in the1600s." The oral tradition of HKB is that Pun Jiao of 1907, was 1st successor of the HKB Black Flag Eng Chun. Ok so there missing about 8 generations. Let’s look at 1st generation Black Flag Eng Chun.
in 1907 this black flag gang crimial Pun Jiao escaped from china to indonesia. Pun Jiao's lo han kung fu is a southern style kung fu not wing chun. there are 300 years missing between Pun Jiao and southern shaolin temple in the 1600s. lo han kung fu is only lo han kung fu, wing chun is only wing chun. also as a low level wing chun practioner from ip man lineage, kenneth lin proclaimed himself grandmaster of black flag wing chun and his black flag wing chun existing in shaolin temple 400 years ago blab blab blab....are you out of your mind?
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#09-22-2010, 08:33 PM
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Kenneth Lim apparently taught Wing Chun in Japan at one point too. What he was teaching was called "Sam Chien Wing Chun". The web links I've seen don't indicate that he had used any of the 'Black Flag' terminology but the writing style was similar to the quotes in Taokum's post on 'Ngo Cho Eng Chun'.
http://www.wingchun.org/txt/schools/misc/japan.html
He mentions "I have six different lineages from eight different sifu, one of them came from Yip Man (Bruce Lee`s teacher)".
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#09-22-2010, 09:57 PM
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It's true that Kenneth Lin did NOT have any HKB Black Flag Eng Chun terminology he uses today. In Lin's other websites before 2005 he used the Yim Wing Chun and Wing Chun tong stories. I think his dream started from chapter 7 of Robert Chu's Complete Wing Chun.
I notice his timing, his old website is erased and now you see 5 line theory, 2 line defense, wing chun formula in his web site today. He says it exist 400 years ago but for him it did not exist 5 years ago.
My question is, is he legit? Benny Meng his student writes his web site and added hfy and other lineages material. You are right he did NOT use Black Flag terminology.
- to Kenneth, I know you are deleting information but the information is getting out. back at ya!
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#09-24-2010, 11:27 PM
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Kenneth Lin Vs Kenneth Salim

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Ngo Cho Ving Tsun in indonesia
Ving Tsun Group was founded in 2001 by Kenneth Salim
Instructor`s Background
Kenneth Salim was born in Surabaya, Indonesia. At the age of 10, he started to study Shaolin Kungfu. The first Kungfu was Ngo Cho Kun and Thay Co Kun, which emphasizes the Sam Chien Element. In 1994, He met his Wingchun sifu. While learning* Ngo Chor/Thay co, he always assumed that with enough proper training of Sam Chien, he could generate a very powerful attack called "Fa Jing", which can destroy a whole internal organ. However, after meeting his Wingchun sifu, his powerful attacks were soon neutralized by the new wingchun techniques, after that he started to learned under him.
http://web.archive.org/web/20040410164522/www.indowingchun.com/kamie.html
Is Kenneth Lin the same person as Kenneth Salim?
Kenneth Salim a.k.a (Kenneth Lin) starded to study wing chun in 1994.
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after meeting his Wingchun sifu, his powerful attacks were soon neutralized by the new wingchun techniques, after that he started to learned under him.
Who is him?
Chung Che Man
yes or no!
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#09-25-2010, 02:55 AM
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It says Kenneth Lim, not Kenneth Lin. Not the same guy.
Ngo Cho Ving Tsun in indonesia
Ving Tsun Group was founded in 2001 by Kenneth Salim
http://web.archive.org/web/20040410164522/www.indowingchun.com/kamie.html
kenneth lin = kenneth lim = kenneth salim = lin xiang fuk
who in the world is he?
kenneth lin born in 1975. at the age of 10, he started to study ngo cho kun. in 1994, he met his first wing chun sifu and became a student after his ngo cho kun didnot work against his first wc teacher. in 2010 at the age of 35. lin is also a 6 generation student under ip man school. suddenly out of nowhere, he came out to tell the world, his wc was from black flag secret socity 400 years ago, and there're 5 flags wc in shaolin.

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#09-25-2010, 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Aaron McKillip 
All 5 Flag families had the same basic information. But since HFY says now it is not one of the 5 Flag families. (Which it has been claiming for years that it is.) Not sure what to tell you.
HFY and Black Flag energy is Definately not the same. Not even close. If you have not trained them both you would not know that though. HFY uses structural energy from exactly what you said. The body is linked together to form a good structure. In HKB the energy is does not come from the Structure. In fact if it does, you are not doing HKB correctly.
Aaron,
Who feeds you this crap?
HFY has NEVER EVER CLAIMED it was one of the Red flag families, or represented RED FLAG. That is complete Bull$hit!
I've been around longer than Benny, and I can whole heartedly say that the ONLY time anything like this was every mentioned was when Benny edited Allen's official HFY post on the VTM's website to say "red flag wing chun". Which was lame on so many levels that you couldn't possibly understand.
You speaking out here, is the same mentality that a gang uses when the give an underaged kid a gun and tell the kid to go out and shoot someone because they know full well that the law will be easier on the kid.
The fact is, that you have nothing more than a beginner's understanding of HFY energy. Ying is only the beginning. Sup Ming Dim is only the beginning. These are tools to understand one's own time and space. To recognize your own structure. But again... Understanding how structure is energy is the only first step of many.
Until a student can truly express Ying, they are not shown anything more than little tastes here and there. As their cup is too small to hold greater amounts of tea.
Teaching them anything beyond this first understanding is pointless, as they are simply incapable at that point in time, of truly understanding and appreciating the greater knowledge.
You are given a Bach's fugue to learn when you first take up piano. No... First you start with Mozart's "twinkle twinkle little star".
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#09-25-2010, 06:22 PM
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If Salim Lin founded the Black Flack Wing Chun, So be it. Everyone are Free to create their own art and get respected
so far, lin only said his black flag wc was one of five flags in shaolin 400 years ago, and he didn't say anything about he created it. it's you to put your words in people's mouth. that's wrong.
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#10-04-2010, 10:43 PM
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Yay Kenneth is all over the place reading stuff on hfy108 back in the day. reading stuff like wc formula, 2 line defense, ect.

http://hfy108.com/forums/member.php?u=89
# About ngochowingchun
Kwoon
wingchun and ngochokun
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ho yang,chuo giok beng,lo ban teng
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#10-06-2010, 08:29 PM
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aka black flag wing chun: Black Flag Eng Chun = Black Flag Wing Chun = HKB = HKB Black Flag Eng Chun = HKB Wing Chun
aka Ngo Cho Kun + Wing Chun: Ngo Cho Ving Tsun (Indonesia) = Ngo Cho Eng Chun (USA) = Ngo Cho Wing Chun (Japan)
king of aka: Kenneth Salim (Indonesia) = Kenneth Lim (Japan) = Kenneth Lin (USA arrival) = Lin Xiang Fuk (USA - present)
More contridictions: 2005 vs. 2003
From VTM Black Flag interview: “First Day Interview in the VTM”:
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Suhu (instructor) Lin: The main thing is to help to understand the chronology. When I arrived in the US in 2004, I didn’t come across the VTM until 2005. It was then that I found out that there was another Wing Chun not from the mainstream but from the secret societies.
Lin joined hfy108 in 2003 - http://hfy108.com/forums/member.php?u=89
If its not obvious, don't ask Hendrik.
Contridictions in Lin’s arrival: 2004 vs. 2005
From “VTM report”:
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In 2005, Suhu (Master) Lin Xiang Fuk arrived in the USA. He carried the responsibility from the Sukong[GM] and the Sujo [GGM] to preserve this extraordinary art for the next generation.....
“First Day Interview in the VTM” Lin says he came in 2004
“VTM report” VTM says 2005.
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#10-06-2010, 08:30 PM
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I see the word is getting out in Brazil.
http://ngochowingchun.blogspot.com/2010/10/arvore-black-flag-eng-chun-da-familia.html
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#10-12-2010, 09:47 AM
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Hi All,let me first start by saying that i respect the work and research of people like taokum and that i can clearly see and understand why you came to such a conclusion based on the information aquired.
but i have to disagree on some points.
after my research i found out that there was indeed a art of kung fu taught in China that was connected to the Black flag lodge and also that it was brought to indonesia in the early 1900 resulting in the art being taught there and still being taught there under the name Hokkian Eng Chun Kuntao (fukien wing chun way of the fist)
several Grandmasters there are teaching forms like the siauw lim do fukinese for siu nim tao etc so for sure its not Kenneth Lin who invented that.
furthermore i found an interesting book from 1866! from Gustave schlegel which confirms the existence of the 5 lodges,the titel of the book is Thian Ti Hwui
Gustave schlegel working as a translator for the Goverment of The dutch colony of Indonesia at the time.
i did however found out that Kenneth Lin indeed learned several other systems next to Fukien wing chun being Ngo Cho(five ancestor( and Vikogva wing chun as well as hsing Yi
he also used the name NGO CHO group in the USA but he referred to the 5 ancestors of the 5 lodges not the style Ngo Cho but i can see how confusing that may be.
Also the name Black Flag wing Chun is recently founded actually around 2008 by GM Tio Ti Kwie for the reason that according to him more people were starting to use the name Fukien Wing Chun so he wanted to differentiate himself from that and came up with the name Black Flag wing Chun based on the history of the lineage the connection with the Black Flag Lodge.
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#10-12-2010, 10:11 PM
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Beware of smoke screens, reason with facts

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he also used the name NGO CHO group in the USA but he referred to the 5 ancestors of the 5 lodges not the style Ngo Cho but i can see how confusing that may be.
Also the name Black Flag wing Chun is recently founded actually around 2008 by GM Tio Ti Kwie for the reason that according to him more people were starting to use the name Fukien Wing Chun so he wanted to differentiate himself from that and came up with the name Black Flag wing Chun based on the history of the lineage the connection with the Black Flag Lodge.
Wingchuntong, or is it really Meng or Lin. Is this research or smoke screens? Wingchuntong, you sounds like a direct mouth piece for Lin’s black smoke to try to confuse people with Hung Mun and made up Black Flag Wing Chun. The reality is that Black Flag Eng Chun’s his-story keeps changing, “including the name of the system”, which was revealed in 1970, see below. You just admitted that Black Flag Wing Chun is made up by GM Tio Ti Kwie and contridicted the VTM.
From VTM “The Beginning” 4th paragraph (Fukien Black Flag Wing Chun – Hek Ki Boen Eng Chun Kun)
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In the past, the Sujo [GGM] did not explain the actual origin or the full name of the system because of the pressures and politic conditions in China and the political ban toward the teaching off Chinese arts, language and culture*[1]. Approximately after 1970 Sujo [GGM] began to reveal the full history of the system, including the name of the system, the origins, the forefathers, etc. However, the emphasis Sujo [GGM] made was always on the teaching and practice, and true understanding by experiencing it rather than the history. There is still missing and incomplete information on the specifics of the origins.
Looking through the smoke, It’s really Vikoga Wing Chun from Surbaya, east Java, Indonesia. This is from Lin’s home country Indonesia. http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=id&u=http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:dCmRyIOIAi0J:www.kaskus.us/showthread.php%3Ft%3D3906666%26page%3D18+%22Vikoga+wing+chun+as+well+as+hsing+Yi%22&cd=7&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
This post is no longer on the kaskus forum http://www.kaskus.us/showthread.php?t=3906666&page=18 but is available in the cache for now. I ran it through a translator for English readers. Why does Ken have to hide his past? People spread the word because Lin/Meng/Sergio are trying to change history, erase Lin’s past and sell their lie to the uninformed.
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#10-12-2010, 10:29 PM
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indowingchun.com / first wing chun teacher / blocked site

According to Lin’s old web site on indowingchun.com, which is blocked, he met his wing chun sifu. He found, his powerful Ngo Cho Kun attacks were neutralized by wing chun has pointed out earlier in this thread, http://www.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1041535&postcount=62 .
http://web.archive.org/web/20040410164522/www.indowingchun.com/kamie.html << This is the site references in the link above that was also blocked. However, here are the contents.
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About Us
Instructor : Kenneth Salim
Ngo Cho Ving Tsun* Group
Ving Tsun Group was founded in 2001* by Kenneth Salim.
Mission
After having studied for many* years, Kenneth Salim decided to establish a Ving Tsun Group in Indonesia for the purpose of promoting and preserving its` art for the next generation in Indonesia. His personal mission is to find the "Qualified-instructor-seeds" and train them very hard and well.
Vision
Vision of Ving Tsun Group is to spread and improve this secret kungfu from shaolin to the whole world which can be done by opening new branches of the Ving Tsun Group, which will be managed by senior students. Presently, we plan to establish Ving Tsun Group in the United States.
Kenneth Salim was born in Surabaya, Indonesia. At the age of 10, he started to study Shaolin Kungfu. The first Kungfu was Ngo Cho Kun and Thay Co Kun, which emphasizes the Sam Chien Element. In 1994, He met his Wingchun sifu. While learning* Ngo Chor/Thay co, he always assumed that with enough proper training of Sam Chien, he could generate a very powerful attack called "Fa Jing", which can destroy a whole internal organ. However, after meeting his Wingchun sifu, his powerful attacks were soon neutralized by the new wingchun techniques, after that he started to learned under him. Afterwards,he met another Sifu who was originally born in Australia. and studied under him also. Besides martial arts, He also has an interest in spiritual knowledge. He`s a practitioner of Taoism of CHIA under*San qing ciao cu`s branch and also Thay qing tao`s branch. He is also a member and practitioner of Aliran Kebatinan Kejawen "muthi tomo waskito tunggal"<Javanese spiritual>. Long before that, he used to study other spiritual systems such as Yoga(Raja,Karma and Hatha),BS surabaya, Reiki,Reimei,Kabalah & Merkaba(Jweish system),Wicca and Gypsi(occultisme in eropa),Karomah(mix of java dan islam),*Thailand theravada-occultism, Tibetan Buddhist Tantrayana, Tibetan Bon, Hindhu Tantrayana yoga left hand path "kiri",*Native Indian america(cherokee), Ilmu Datuk from Bugis, Ilmu* kubu`s tribe dari jambi, Healing system of Charismatic/pantecostal Cristian.Healing Methods using Chinese Herbs and medicine and Reflexology and Internal power of shaolin(Ho Thien Chi Kung).
This is the Ngo Cho Ving Tsun family tree from the blocked archive. but documented here http://www.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1040385&postcount=38
Was Kenneth Lin’s first teacher one of Lao Jing Ti students? Lao Jin Ti and Lao Jin Ti’s students are in Lin’s Indonesia Ngo Cho Wing Chun family tree.
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#10-12-2010, 10:40 PM
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Connections

Three connections between Lao Jin Ti and Kenneth Lin: Wing Chun, Reike and Java, Indonesia.
Japan/Reike connection?: Before coming to the America, did Kenneth Lin travel to Japan to further his study Reike? There are a lot Reike masters in Japan. There is a Reike school in Java that teaches Lao Jing Ti’s Reike method and promotes a master Reike instructor in Japan. We know Kenneth opened Ngo Cho Wing Chun clubs in Japan as pointed out here under name of “Japan Wingchun and Samchien Group”: http://forum.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1041000&postcount=50 This was pointed out by another forum member. Remember?
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The first Kungfu was Ngo Cho Kun and Thay Co Kun, which emphasizes the Sam Chien Element. In 1994, He met his Wingchun sifu.
Most likely Kenneth’s first Wing Chun teacher was from Lao Jing Ti’s students. Then Chung Che Man of Vikoga Wing Chun as Ken documented in his Indonesian Ngo Cho Ving Tsun family tree.
Picture of Kenneth Lin on Indowingchun.com, note the real authentic Taoist “Heaven, Earth, Man” Ngo Cho Ving Tsun flying elbows. (Now watch Kenny and Benny change this from Taoist “Heaven, Earth, Man” to a Buddist "clarification" “Heaven, Man, Earth”. And watch Hendrik build his sand castle.)
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Hi Taokum,
gain read my post clearly it seems you dont understand anyway its not my cup of thee,the facts that i presented are facts
go to Indonesia there are still around 6 of the old generation Grandmasters alive who can talk with you and show you the systems best of all you touch hands with them or sifu kenneth lin for that matter
then your doubts will quickly perish away and the differences with the other systems mentioned very clearly demonstrated in technique as well as Theory
its just all very different,for the other readers out there dont believe my words or the words of anyone else but check it out for yourself
in any case Taokum i respect your persistence pushing everytime the same info on this forum,hope you train as hard as you post then your skill will be very high
AGAIN FACT:There is video and foto material and even better grandmasters alive that verify everything i said and put a large shadow of doubt on your statements
for your info Kenneth lin was never in Japan,but he got some students over there who started teaching
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#Today, 08:49 AM
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If Lin/Meng/Sergio can get you to believe their lie, then they will change lead you

If Lin/Meng/Sergio can get you to believe their lie, then they will begin to lead you like their stupid students.
You and Ken have just as much crediability in your his-story as Meng’s forgery.(I hear your vtbenny, It's a shame to be associated by name) Did you also take Meng’s martial art marketing class? Sales techiniques(lie), communication stratigies(ignore pressing issues and redirect to smoke screens), try to build rapport to get your sales pitch in. I see your marketing is to promote Lin, VTM, Meng’s Marital Arts and Sergio. This is the same marketing pattern used by other Meng’s Martial Arts/Black Flag Shaolin Wing Chun (Chango, Aaron, Mr. “deviant mind”) avoid all the evidence.
Anyways, here is more history on Ngo Cho Kun or Samchien or WuZuQuan as called in Indonesia. Kuntao is a Hokkien term and generally means martial arts or kung fu. It’s easy to get confused, just like all the aliase of Ken, Kenneth shufu (Indonesia) = Kenneth Salim (Indonesia) = Kenneth Lim (Japan) = Kenneth Lin (USA arrival) = Lin Xiang Fuk (USA - present).
Here’s a Japanese classified ad on his samchienwingchun (samchien is Ngo Cho Kun in Indonesia, http://ngochokune.tripod.com/) and WuZuQuan/Ngo Cho Kun Kung Fu (note Wu Zu Quan in mandarin or Ngo Cho Kun in a Fujian dialect). Kenneth was advertising Ngo Cho Wing Chun in Japan in 2003. Facts to back up Lin’s background unlike wingchungtong’s his-story.
http://flatshare.jp/oldclassified/119
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